Hi Guys,

Please help me out -

My mother is in the process of applying for a temporary contributory parent visa and i will be sponsoring her as a settled Australian resident. However my father is not applying for this temporary visa, as dependent, as he is still in employment in my home country for the next two years. As my mother will be applying for her permanent contributory parent visa within two years, she will include my father as a dependent for the permanent contributory residence visa application. I read that in this circumstance, my father has two forms to fill. What i want to know is how much will my dad's visa cost in this circumstance?

Thanks

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Originally posted by neekita:
Hi Guys,

Please help me out -

My mother is in the process of applying for a temporary contributory parent visa and i will be sponsoring her as a settled Australian resident. However my father is not applying for this temporary visa, as dependent, as he is still in employment in my home country for the next two years. As my mother will be applying for her permanent contributory parent visa within two years, she will include my father as a dependent for the permanent contributory residence visa application. I read that in this circumstance, my father has two forms to fill. What i want to know is how much will my dad's visa cost in this circumstance?

Thanks

Hi Meekta

Are you sure it is possible to do as you suggest? I'm not saying that it is not possible but I have not come across the question before, so I want to know whether you are certain that it would be possible?

Are you sure that your Dad wouldn't simply have to apply for another CPV, in his own right, in two years time?

If he would have to apply in his own right, I wouldn't recommend it because it would mean spending $10,000 for each of them on the Assurance of Support for the sc 143 instead of spending $14,000 for both of them if they noth get CPVs at the same time, via the same application.

Dad might be the Secondary Applicant on a joint Mum & Dad application for a CPV but he definitely wouldn't count as being Mum's "Dependant" - because he is her Husband.

Have you asked the Parents Visa Centre whether it is possible to do what you suggest? If not, their e-mail is parents@immi.gov.au I'd recommend asking them for advice (they are first rate) and I'd be interested to hear what they say.

Cheers

Gill

Dear Gill,

Thank you very much for your reply.

I refer to form 47PT, page 2, section 'who the form covers' where it is written:

"In addition, a temporary Contributory Parent visa holder
applying for the corresponding permanent Contributory Parent
visa on this form is able to include members of the family unit
who are not temporary Contributory Parent visa holders in their
application. If the family member is not the holder of a
temporary Contributory Parent visa, they must complete a
separate form 47PA. Both application forms 47PT and 47PA
should be lodged together at the same time and place."

It says here that if the family member does not a temporary visa (my father), he must complete form 47PA. Could you tell me what your interpretation of this is, as it also says that it should be lodged together at the same time and place, which is why i asked what the costs are in such a scenario.

I did contact PVC but i have only got an automated reply on two occasions only giving general information. I am unable to vist personally as am not in Australia at the moment but need to get this done before leaving for Australia.

Thank you

It also says on Form 47PT:

However, if your partner is not a temporary Contributory Parent
category visa holder, they must complete a separate form 47PA. Both
application forms 47PT and 47PA should be lodged together at the
same time and same place.
Note: A partner applying on form 47PA will be required to pay the
full second instalment of the Visa Application Charge.

Does it mean here the full instalment of $40,000? If so, what is the benefit of applying as the partner and why should these be lodged together?

Hi Neekita

I'm sorry for spelling your name wrongly in my earlier reply.

Hmm. What you suggest is definitely do-able but I am certain that it would not save any money. It would merely save time in obtaining a CPV 143 for Dad.

The only real way to save money would be as follows:-

Apply for a CPV 143 for Mum now. 5 years after her CPV 143 has been granted, Mym & Dad apply for a Spouse visa for Dad.

It used to be possible to get a CPV 143 for the first Parent and then get a Spouse visa for the second Parent immediately afterwards. However this loophole then got too much of an airing on the public forums and became too popular, so DIAC blocked it in 2009 by insisting on the 5-year delay.

If you split Mum & Dad in the way that you suggest, you will end up paying a separate 1st Instalment for Dad and probably a higher 2nd Instalment for him as well. The idea would merely enable a joint AoS, I strongly suspect.

Is there any reason not to get them both CPV 143s straightaway, as a joint application, and be done with it? That would save a lot of mucking around, form filling and expense?

Cheers

Gill

Dear Gill,

Thank you so much for your help, which i really appreciate.
The reason why its not possible for me to apply for the CPV-temp for both of them is because of the cost, i can only afford the temp one for my mum for now, and i was under the impression that dad could apply for permanent later at a reduced cost but i was wrong. Dad is still working in my home country and will do so for the next two years, so yes i will follow your advice and wait for the 5 years to apply for his spouse visa. However, will my mum have to show any income? Also, if they lengthen the waiting period even more in the future, will it affect my dad's spouse visa application given mum's visa was lodged before any such change?

Thanks ever so much again for your time, guidance and interest.

Neekita

Hi Neekita

It is impossible to say what will happen in the future. Here is what DIAC said in 2009:

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrant...mily/whats_new.htm#f

My guess is that the 5-year delay is probably enough to curb the practice - which is all that DIAC were trying to do.

However, please note that the 5 years would begin on the day when your Mum's 143 is granted, not the day when she gets the 173. So we are looking at around 7 years before Dad could apply for a Spouse visa.

It is not necessary to "prove" the Parent's financial resources but there is a question about it in Form 47PA. I imagine that the PVC might query it if one says that the applicant has no resources but I don't know for sure.

However, I think that you are taking an unacceptable gamble, to be honest. The CPV 173 followed by an upgrade to a CPV 143 is usually only done when the family is already 100% certain that the remaining 40% plus the money for the CPV Bond will definitely be available in time. If it isn't then you risk losing the 60% that has already been paid and having to start again from Square One.

So what will happen if you get squashed by a bus before you can pay for the upgrade for Mum?

At the very least, I would make an immediate application for a Parent Visa subclass 103 for Dad. There is nothing to prevent Mum and Dad from applying for two different Parent visas simultaneously. This way, if anything goes wrong with Plan A for Mum, she can be added to the PV 103 application for Dad. Also, this would protect Dad in the event that DIAC lengthen the waiting period before a Spouse visa could be sought.

As you know, there is no reason why Dad shouldn't apply for a PV 103 now but then change his mind later so as to apply for a Spouse visa later instead.

Cheers

Gill